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If you didn't like yesterday's shot, then I suspect you may not be too keen on this one either, but blur, motion and reasonably long exposures are something I'm quite interested in at the moment. One problem, at least from your point of view, is that I think the thing that makes this type of shot most interesting is the detail – the various ways in which things overlap themselves, the opacity of a figure against the ground, and so on. And more often than not the detail that fascinates me most is the small-scale detail, a lot of which is lost when presented at this resolution. Anyway, I guess that you could argue that I should refrain from posting them, if that's the case, but chromasia is a much a diary as anything else so here it is.

As always, let me know what you think.

Oh, and the title refers to the train's destination, which is only really noteworthy because this yellow train, as best I can tell, only seems to go to Wigan.

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comment by Jon at 07:17 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

I am a big fan of long exposure shots and motion blur, but one thing that makes them fun is when you shoot on a tripod so that only animate objects get blurred. I love the yellow and the lighting, but I would like to have seen the train be stationary to get some kind of reference. I enjoy your work. Thanks for sharing it with us.

comment by Juliet at 07:27 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

I think it's pretty awesome. Keep up the good work.

comment by Bernadette at 07:31 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

merveilleux, sublime, incroyable, magnifique, extraordinaire...
Des photos troublantes de beauté, de finesse, de diversité et même d'humour.
Merci pour ce festival.

comment by ps at 07:34 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

Yes, you've right i don't like it, previous either... but from time to time... :)

comment by EOS Chaos at 07:39 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

I like this a little more than yesterdays. The passengers are still visible against the yellow of the train, almost looks as though there was a struggle to get on board too. You do really get a sense of motion that brings the image to life, excellent work as usual! - [Chuks]

comment by djn1 at 07:39 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

Jon: I agree, timed shots on tripods are good for drawing attention to the moving elements in a scene, but I also like the subtle and not so subtle degredations that hand-holding brings. This one, for example, was shot with the camera resting on my knee, and I really like the way the various details have shifted in the frame.

ps: no, I didn't suspect this would be to everyone's taste ;-)

comment by Keith at 08:25 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

Jon has a point but it is just one aspect of blurred images that can be appealing. There is enough detaill here to see exactly what it all is but enough colour, motion and 'arty' angle to make it interesting in its own right. I also like blurred images that lose all detaill and become abstracts of colour and movement. They all have their time.

comment by ps at 08:27 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

well, like always ;-)

comment by owen b at 09:12 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

Nope, not for me, and I hate to be reactionary and perhaps objectionable but I can't help thinking that had this been posted by anyone else, the number of commenters calling it 'wonderful' would be somewhat fewer.

Nonetheless, I'm interested in why you like it yourself, Dave. Maybe the fact that so many of your other shots are so technically and artistically interesting and beautiful are what make slightly blurry shots from an unsteady knee interesting to you! ;) I also took a couple of motion blurry shots recently, but like Jon I aimed to have at least one principal element of them sharp to accentuate the blurring. Obviously there are images that are all shaky and blurry that have something to them - lights often fare well - but everytime I look at this I think, "Why isn't the bus sharp?"

comment by miklos at 09:47 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

Tend to agree with owen.

One cool thing is that after looking at yesterday's shot, it almost looks like the chap is boarding a small horse :)

comment by djn1 at 10:18 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

owen: I'm sure you're right. I don't know how many people are visiting chromasia at the moment (the current server's stats are buggered) but if it's as many as it used to be then it's not too surprising that some people see something worthy of comment. I guess my point, is that there's a subjective component to the appreciation of a photograph and the more people who look at it, the more you'll find that think it's of merit.

I think you do have a point about how this stands in relation to a lot of my other work. Often, I'll discard shots where the focus is off, even if it's only mildly out. I guess there is something liberating about not having to worry about it. That said, and I'm sorry that this doesn't come across quite so well at this resolution, I do like the detail in this one ... almost as though there are duplicate images slightly out of phase with one another.

Anyway, it may not be great art, but it is something I'm interested in at the moment.

Oh, and the bus isn't sharp because it's a train ;-)

miklos: good to see you still visit, but I can't see the horse ;-)

comment by Jennifer at 10:31 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

Hi, I can see the horse too - glad it's not just me!

My daughter and I have been admiring ys site for months - love it.

Regards Jennifer

comment by miklos at 10:45 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

The horse is black and it has 3 legs (or a blurry 4th one) and its head is already in the door.

comment by Fellow Eskimo at 11:37 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

Only you could get away with putting up a blurry photo, giving a signifcant reason, and get away with it. I like yesterdays better though. ;)

comment by 50mm at 11:41 PM (GMT) on 12 November, 2005

I love it.
Somewhat a tripod long exposure shows the coldness of an innanimate object compared with a living thing in an unhumane manner;

Here, i feel the magic happens, because the photographer is part of the action.
The result, I find breathtaking. Everything moves! Now, as my art teacher says 'ok, you can draw a lady pausing, how about drawing one jumping?'.

Mastered blur, I love this photo.

comment by djn1 at 12:05 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

miklos: cool, I can see it now ;-)

Fellow Eskimo: I guess the thing for me, or one of them, is that I don't see photography as much to do with objectively rendering a scene, it's more to do with interpretation. I take your point though, 'camera shake' and blur are something that we normally struggle to avoid, not deliberately pursue.

comment by Geoff at 12:51 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

I love it. I think there's quite a lack of blur for 4.5 seconds, so you must have a steady knee :)

The limited palette works really well. I don't know about the slight tilt. Maybe it goes with the territory. Good to see you exploring Dave.

comment by djn1 at 12:55 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

Geoff: yep, the tilt was accidental. Interestingly enough though I did produce a version that corrected the tilt, but I didn't like it anywhere near as much as this one.

comment by Andrew at 02:12 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

I really like this one. Yesterday's shot gave me a bit of a headache to look at because I think there was too much going on in the photo. In this photo, the composition is basic enough to focus on the photo without feeling like you're staring at a Magic Eye drawing. I put the link in just in case anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about.

Good work!

comment by nuno f at 03:13 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

When someone try to brake photography norms, usualy it's not very welcome in the photographic community. I think this last shots from you try to brake the balance of in focus photos and demonstrate that there can be done fantastic compositions using camera motion. It adds movement, it makes people think, and it works. : )

Continue giving us your daily art, David! : )

comment by Still at 08:44 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

For the complete novice what I'am, technical aspects are less important than the moving ambiance of this shot. The dull light and the shade up of the two persons, seems to be a metaphor of our modern urban life...

comment by nikee ghini at 10:15 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

moved, accidental, out of focus images could be extremely intriguing, more expressionistic, more immediate and in it's imperfection, more real. I think that the realness of a sharp image it's an illusion and i prefer anything that is spontaneous and accidental, in it there is a hint of truth I can believe. Does it make sense?
Teacher used to say "if you go for the out of focus look it should show that you mean it" and I think that this and yesterday's image prove that you are playing with the effect. I like both but prefer yesterday's for the mix of colors and wiggles remind me of abstract painting.
Accidents are often more interesting than well set up shots.
Anyhoo, I wanted to point out how much your styles differ from one another, to the point that at first visit I thought the blog was a collection of many people's images! Your black and white is so much more soulful than your color and I prefer it. Your color is perfect, it reminds me of commercial or fashion photography (and you could definitely become a pro) but this type of imagery to me is static, and I tire sooner watching it. Some travel images are really beautiful, but I like most when you try new things like now with motion or the Eno inspired sail boat picture.
Anyway your blog is really cool, love the design of the site too, did you do it yourself or used a pro? I am thinking of joining the circus (photoblogging I mean) and don't know where to start.
Sorry for the long one and thanks for sharing

comment by GP at 10:24 AM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

so yellow! :-)

comment by djn1 at 01:53 PM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

nikhee: yes, your first point makes sense; i.e. there are some styles or techniques that lend a greater air of authenticity to an image.

As for my styles: yes, I'm somewhat eclectic at the moment. I am working towards a few more clearly defined projects, but I do enjoy playing aronud with different styles and approaches.

As for chromasia's design: I use Movable Type but designed the templates myself. If I were you though I'd check out Pixelpost as it's a bit easier to set up and was specifically designed for photoblogs.

comment by Vijay at 05:19 PM (GMT) on 13 November, 2005

Reminds me of... nightcrawler and the ghostly twins in matrix 2 :)

Pretty cool. It gives the illusion of teleporting and hypermovement when seen in relative motion.

Keep it up. It's always good to explore different avenues

comment by Viking at 05:01 AM (GMT) on 14 November, 2005

I like these. They're progressive. They're testing the bounds of the art. I hope to see more in the future :)

comment by Ioannis at 11:09 AM (GMT) on 14 November, 2005

I was reading the comment by nikee ghini and couldn't agree more about the variety of style of your shots. By checking every single post of yours for well over a year now, I have come to see how your style and even perhaps your taste changes.

You talk quite negatively of this picture, which I actually find to be very exciting. The fury of the people trying to jump in this small yellow train (for the record, there are many of these around and they were the first class of trains made from bus parts) is an everyday sight that few people have captured properly. The colour and movement are excellent. A great shot. Thanks.

comment by wyllys at 03:18 PM (GMT) on 14 November, 2005

I like the color in both shots (this one and the previous), but other
than that, I don't care for the technique or the results. Of course, that is just my own opinion. They remind of shots I've taken where I later go "Damn, I wish I could have had more light or a tripod, but this will have to do.".

comment by Charlotte at 08:36 PM (GMT) on 14 November, 2005

Great I love it - it has something of "The Towering Inferno" (or whatever the exact title of that film is). I love long exposure shots - keep them coming.

comment by kikko77 at 08:50 PM (GMT) on 14 November, 2005

great shot, a bit dreamlike for me

comment by RustyJ at 11:47 PM (GMT) on 15 November, 2005

I like the way the bodies have no bottom and no top but do posess a middle.

Well done David. Thank you again.

comment by formspiel at 09:36 PM (GMT) on 22 November, 2005

Nice picture. Yet another smovie ;-)

comment by the farmers wife at 10:38 PM (GMT) on 1 December, 2005

I haven't had a chance to check in for awhile, but I'm so glad to see that you are still following your muse - wherever your creative juices take you. How interesting that you are experimenting with long exposures. I love the previous day's effort, all color and abstraction. You are so open to different things, never allowing yourself to be pigeonholed into a style, leaving your viewers to never know what to expect - that's a good thing!!

I've been experimenting with my Fuji, set on night mode and shooting car headlights, etc. while someone else drives the car. Very beautiful and colorful images are emerging.

As always, keep up the good work.

comment by Smoove at 02:27 AM (GMT) on 22 December, 2005

really good photo!
please post some pictures on manicfish.com