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I was going to leave posting this one until a later date, or maybe not post it at all, but I decided that it complements yesterday's shot so decided to put it up. I'll post something other that a portrait tomorrow.

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2.08pm on 24/9/05
Canon 20D
EF 17-40 f/4L USM
40mm (64mm equiv.)
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C1 Pro
3x2 + people [portraiture]
comment by John Duncan at 09:43 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

ooo first post!

comment by Rock at 09:44 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

From John’s and your shots from yesterday this is precisely the look I would expect from this gentleman. The three portraits make up a fine body of work, and a telling view of this man.

comment by John Duncan at 09:49 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

And now I can say something constructive! Though I prefer yesterday's shot from an 'art' point of view, I like this very much simply because it reminds me of my dad, god rest :-)

comment by StuartR at 09:57 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

You should have called this one "Sparking Up"!

This is much better than yesterday's in my opinion... That's a face you could say is well lived in!

comment by Vlad at 10:19 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

Yeah, these last two photos are really great.

comment by Jem at 10:28 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

Great crispness on the hairs on his face. One again another great shot - which compliments the previous one very nicely! I would actually appreciate your input on this post of mine, as I think you could be of great help for me and others hehe.

comment by Andrew at 10:43 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

This is a very nice shot. The colors and the details are astonishing.

comment by Jarama at 10:44 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

I love these two shots. Great parallels in texture between his skin and the wall, as well as great contrast in color between these two elements.

comment by RobW at 10:49 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

And thats exactly how it is...thumb in the air while lighting; action smoking at its best. Another super shot.

comment by Mikelangelo at 11:08 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

Love the warm colored figure and the contrast with the black/white background. Really neat image. Great character in the face and pose, too. Great shot!

comment by VelviaPix at 11:29 PM (GMT) on 27 September, 2005

I am very impressed by the sharpness and detail of his skin. I have read that there is a "natural" softness to all DSLR's, but your images, this one as the example show a very fine detail that seems to be as crisp as as it can be. Do you, in any way enhance that level of detail?
Is it the 20d? is it mainly the lens? I don't own a 20d or the 17-40 f/4L USM... and I am don't think I have ever taken one single image that can compare to this one... I am expecting a "all of the avobe" type of answer, but I still have some hope it can be post-processing ;o)

Very nice photograph.

comment by miklos at 12:23 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005


comment by Viking at 01:09 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

What a face! I bet he's seen some things...

comment by Ed { tfk } at 02:10 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

Excellent candid portrait.
The cigarette not being visible makes his posture even more interesting.

comment by Adam H at 03:25 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

Nice complement to yesterday's shot indeed. I like portraits, no such thing as posting too many portraits.

comment by nordilux at 04:28 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

good skin tones.

comment by flying cow at 07:17 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

the old brightly dressed man, the rugged beard, the smoke, the tattered walls. love the contrast.

comment by Leo at 08:31 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

I like the previous pose a bit better. This one makes me slightly sad though. His eyebrows remind me of my late grandfather's.

You know, looking back, I've realized there's only 2 types of old men in the world. Really cool ones, the ones with crazy stories, and the really perverted ones.

comment by Nick Lewis at 09:33 AM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

This guy looks like he knows a few people. He could sort things out for you if you had a bit of "bovva". An excellent follow up to yesterdays photo.

comment by owen at 12:31 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

Another fine portrait Dave.

comment by Doug at 02:01 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

In response to VelviaPix's comment about "natural softness" of DSLRs...
Comments on that "natural softness" which you speak of causes me pain. ;-)

While it's technically true that a sharp focus image is a bit soft coming out of a 20D and all similar DSLRs, that is *not* the final image. The reason this is so is because the way sensors record the light, and the fact that DSLRs don't sharpen in-camera, at least, not much. Compare that with point-and-shoot cameras which do a LOT of in-camera sharpening, and you get the perceived "softness in DSLRs" you mentioned.

If you use the Photoshop "unsharp mask" you will breath "life" into un-sharpened DSLR images.

What settings you ask? The answer is it depends on the photo (sorry). For further information I suggest searching the forums over at DPReview.com. They cover this topic in tremendous detail. Sometimes even accurately!

Personally I tend to use settings: 250/0.4/0, but I play with it. The resulting difference between doing this and not is huge.

--- Doug

comment by Navin Harish at 02:02 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

I prefer this one over the one posted yesterday. I like the intensity.

comment by Param at 02:25 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

Hi Dave,
IMHO, I feel this portrait would have worked better in black& white (similar to the portrait of Vish few days ago). This one isn't bad, but the depth and tones would work get more attention in black & white I thought.

On another note, do you apply any sharpen features/filters after transferring to the computer (or on camera)? Or is your lens just very good at sharpness. I dont' have the 17-40 USM lens that you use, but having used my 20D extensively (with a crappy 28-70mm lens), I have always longed for this kind of sharp images.

Also, can you throw some light on what additional features/ benefits does C1Pro give you that the Canon software doesn't provide? Would the difference be really significant for an amateur/hobbyist photographer like me?


comment by luminouslens at 04:07 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

What I really like about this image is the perfect framing, the terrifically bland background which still manages to lend some atmosphere and mood, and the relatively muted yet somehow still bright colors in this man's clothes.

comment by neowenyang at 05:30 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

I love this one better than the last. It looks so natural.

comment by AlanG at 07:14 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

Definitely the better of the two... this single photo hints of 1000 stories the old geezer could tell us, about his life and experiences. Excellent!

comment by djn1 at 08:30 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

Thanks everyone.

Jem: done.

VelviaPix: RAW files are a bit soft, but as Doug mentions, these aren't sharpened in-camera. As for the answer to why mine are sharp, you're right, it is an "all of the above" type of answer: the 17-40 is a good lens, the 20D's sensor provides a good level of detail, and I do sharpen the images prior to posting them here (normally with a USM setting of around 200, .2, 0).

Doug: thanks, that was a good explanation.

Param: I did try this one in black and white but preferred this version. As for C1 Pro: it's main advantage over other RAW processors, in my opinion at least, is that it's great for batch processing a series of shots. Other than that though I think it produces images with less noise, reasonably good colour, and better shadow detail than some of the alternatives.

comment by Maxine at 08:43 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

Just love both pics of this man; the photos are (as usual) nicely done, colour, light, composition just perfect....but....this man is something! Timeless, pure style, a kind of suburbian vampire....the british answer to William Borroughs coolness. Good catch Dave!

comment by blick at 09:31 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

simply human, I like it

comment by Sharla at 11:25 PM (GMT) on 28 September, 2005

I prefer this shot to yesterday's because it has more character, the tones are more constrained and, I assume, more accurate. Yesterday's was more artistic, fun, and shouted jazz for the eye.

You need two more versions that you could present to your commentors and then you'd be able to quickly determine their photo personalities. We could sign our posts with a notation of our personality choices and then we'd understand better why we get some of the radically different interpretations and a bit more about the why.

comment by jasonspix at 12:08 AM (GMT) on 29 September, 2005

Wonderful. I love the feel of this shot.

comment by shutterfspeed at 04:39 AM (GMT) on 29 September, 2005

I like this photo better than the first. It envokes more emotiong for me than the first. His expression seems more dramatic. Great job`

comment by Peter at 12:06 PM (GMT) on 29 September, 2005

What fantastic eyebrows!

comment by miles at 10:48 PM (GMT) on 30 September, 2005

This is the best shot of this guy yet, great detail.

comment by Ken Lau at 11:41 PM (GMT) on 30 September, 2005

Beautiful picture.

comment by Tom Robbrecht at 02:25 PM (GMT) on 1 October, 2005

Brilliant picture, I really like the colors & textures.
Depth of field is well chosen.

comment by VIJESHV at 08:48 PM (GMT) on 1 October, 2005